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Southwest joins in bidding for Frontier

Post by bigmac09 » 03 Aug 2009, 19:08

Southwest Airlines is in the process in putting in a bid to buy Frontier Airlines
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Re: Southwest joins in bidding for Frontier

Post by Northwestdc9 » 03 Aug 2009, 20:21

Please do use a more descriptive title in the future, I've edited yours for you.
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This is all getting very exciting! Southwest is coming in to kill off a competitor, a vicious move that if successful would yield some good things for Southwest.
On the other hand we have Republic who seems to be positioning itself to create a nationwide super-network of mini-carriers, a much more interesting move.

Gents, get your beers ready, this is gonna be a heck of a show.
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Re: Southwest joins in bidding for Frontier

Post by Dennis » 03 Aug 2009, 20:48

Northwestdc9 wrote:Please do use a more descriptive title in the future, I've edited yours for you.
Thanks!


And a link (though we all know by now the move, but still...section rules! :| )
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Re: Southwest joins in bidding for Frontier

Post by crj200dispatcher » 03 Aug 2009, 22:52

WN puts bid in for F9 just for assets, and foothold in DEN

WN will operate F9 has wholly owned subsidiary, until all the Airbuses are returned, and has one is returned, a 737 replaces it on the WN system. WN states will hire F9 employees has needed (which include pilots and dispatchers)...BUT DOES NOT ENSURE F9 EMPLOYEES EMPLOYMENT WITH WN.

WN would still have to pay Republic Airways Holdings $150 million dollars for monies lent to F9.

Republic, if they win the bid on F9, will keep F9 has they are, with the Airbus remaining in the fleet, and the Q400 staying with Lynx. They will be a wholly owned subsidiary and remain operating has they always have

And better yet, no one looses their jobs
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Re: Southwest joins in bidding for Frontier

Post by seahawks7757 » 04 Aug 2009, 11:03

Wonder if Horizon/Alaska Air Group might then look into buying the Lynx Operations then. Might be a nice expansion for the Alaska Air Group. Also our fleets would merge beautifully as we also love the Q400
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Post by Dennis » 04 Aug 2009, 12:47

Does Alaska need even more Western coverage? They would benefit from an Eastern network, wouldn't they? I think Horizon would only benefit from getting Lynx's fleet, but other than that... :|
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Post by seahawks7757 » 04 Aug 2009, 17:55

Where's Lynx's hub at? Because we used to serve Denver with that Frontier contract so it might just be us backfilling in those routes we already did again. And I was just thinking it would probably take the Horizon name since it would be doing regional stuff.
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Post by crj200dispatcher » 05 Aug 2009, 01:10

What would Alaska gain with a DEN hub? SEA/PDX/LAX all rather close hubs and focus cities.

No aircraft commonality, except the Q400's and how would that benefit
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Post by seahawks7757 » 05 Aug 2009, 01:56

I know that Alaska is trying to expand east more so it could just be a way to start spreading out more.
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Post by Northwestdc9 » 05 Aug 2009, 02:20

Alaska/Frontier wouldn't work.
Alaska doesn't need Denver, it's too close to it's existing hubs to be of much use and under heavy competition from UA and WN.
As for getting a handful more of Q400s, that's an extremely large expense just to grab a few planes.

Here's what they should do if they want more Q400s, wait until either WN or RP buys F9 and if they choose not to keep their Q400s, pick them up cheap.
Or just order more from Bombardier.

Alaska is just that, an Alaskan and West Coast carrier with some transcontinental routes mainly serving those local passengers on the West Coast who are going East.
It's a niche that works for them, any major expansion East (another hub) is so remotely unlikely to almost be a guarantee of not happening.

Could be that someday Alaska is bought out and merged into another carrier or itself, buys and merges another airline into Alaska but beyond that we won't be seeing an Alaska hub in Denver.
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Re: Southwest joins in bidding for Frontier

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seahawks7757 wrote:Where's Lynx's hub at? Because we used to serve Denver with that Frontier contract so it might just be us backfilling in those routes we already did again. And I was just thinking it would probably take the Horizon name since it would be doing regional stuff.
No. Horizon pulled out of the Frontier deal because they felt they could do more profitable flying at home. It was, however, a mutual parting. Now with Horizon trying to remove its CRJ-700s, it makes even less sense for Horizon to try to resume a Frontier contract.
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Re: Southwest joins in bidding for Frontier

Post by Garyck » 14 Aug 2009, 22:55

Bit of a shock, :shock: Southwest loose out to Republic.................. I didn't even know who Republic were untill I just googled them. The Airbus will be a nice addition to the fleet. :) There are rumors already that Southwest will buy Frontier from Republic, Seems to be getting a little messy. whats actually happening over there? :?

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Re: Southwest joins in bidding for Frontier

Post by Northwestdc9 » 19 Aug 2009, 20:24

Yay! I always like when the underdog wins, especially if Southwest gets slapped in the face.

This makes things FAR more interesting to see what Republic will do with it's new toys, Frontier and Midwest.
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Post by seahawks7757 » 20 Aug 2009, 07:35

Sad the pilots union couldn't agree. Would have been a GREAT aquisition for WN
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Re: Southwest joins in bidding for Frontier

Post by Randy » 20 Aug 2009, 16:33

Northwestdc9 wrote:Yay! I always like when the underdog wins, especially if Southwest gets slapped in the face.

This makes things FAR more interesting to see what Republic will do with it's new toys, Frontier and Midwest.


Agree! I would like to see those three succeed!

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Re: Southwest joins in bidding for Frontier

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seahawks7757 wrote:Sad the pilots union couldn't agree. Would have been a GREAT aquisition for WN

No, it wouldn't have. It would've been a multi-million dollar slap in the face to competition and low fares.
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Re: Southwest joins in bidding for Frontier

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seahawks7757 wrote:Sad the pilots union couldn't agree. Would have been a GREAT aquisition for WN

No, it wouldn't have. It would've been a multi-million dollar slap in the face to competition and low fares.



But that is what airlines need to a point is some competition. That is what lower fares and make it more consimer friendly and at times like this that is a good thing.
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Re: Southwest joins in bidding for Frontier

Post by Aaron Robinson » 21 Aug 2009, 13:19

Check out the quote. Wow, the ego!
Regarding Frontier, Kelly likened SWA's losing out to Republic Airways Holdings (ATWOnline, Aug. 14) to the world's top golfer recently losing the PGA Championship. "Even Tiger Woods doesn't win every tournament," he told the newspaper. "We'll be back in the game for the next tournament. It's a matter of being opportunistic. Any time you've got a competitor failing in bankruptcy, that presents an opportunity."
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Re: Southwest joins in bidding for Frontier

Post by Northwestdc9 » 21 Aug 2009, 17:33

Wow... What an arrogant stance from Southwest.

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seahawks7757 wrote:Sad the pilots union couldn't agree. Would have been a GREAT aquisition for WN

No, it wouldn't have. It would've been a multi-million dollar slap in the face to competition and low fares.



But that is what airlines need to a point is some competition. That is what lower fares and make it more consimer friendly and at times like this that is a good thing.

Which is the exact OPPOSITE of what Southwest was going for, they wanted to RAISE fares, and REDUCE competition.
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Re: Southwest joins in bidding for Frontier

Post by Randy » 21 Aug 2009, 23:04

Republic Virtual? :idea:

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